Greetings to all of you...it is great to know I am not alone on this struggle This is my first post, so I'll be brief.
I started playing MBT some time ago...I am going trough the Advanced Rules now, but there is a question that stuck in my mind since the beginning, and perhaps you might give me a hand on this matter.
The thing is:
When a unit fires/moves they are assigned a Spot Fire/Move counter....but....until when that counter remains with the unit???
Sure, if you get a Spot-Fire and then you you move you replace it with a Spot-Move, that is carried-over to the next spotting phase....but what if you do not do ANYTHING with the unit for, let's say, a couple of turns?....should it keep the counter forever?
Looking forward to hearing from you guys !
PS: I hope I made myself clear...as you might imagine, English isn't my mother tongue. PS2: Although I am asking about MBT rules, I am fairly sure the same question applies to Panzer too.
Hiya Sacchio, I don't play MBT but you're probably right that Panzer uses the same type of rules. I've been struggling to see the whole spotting phase as a "phase" at all since nothing special seems to happen with the info during that phase. You could just as easily say that before you can issue a Fire command you must check to see if you spot the guy you want to shoot at. I think it amounts to the same thing anyway and that's kind of how we've been playing it. As to your spot/fire and spot/move counters, we've been playing that until a new event occurs that forces a change (ie a move or fire or overwatch fire) the counter stays with the unit. It seems to make sense that whatever order you are giving at the beginning of the turn is what is happening "real time" throughout the turn. So say we issue a fire command we are considered to be firing and would get a spot/fire counter once the fire is complete. Same for a move or short/halt. When the next turn comes up we hold on to the spot/fire or spot/move until another order event makes us change it. Keep in mind I'm just making some guesses as to how this all works. I've made some Herculean efforts to memorize the rules but I'm still a novice and mostly going by what I feel to be the correct way based mostly on what feels logical. Hopefully this will help or at least help drive a discussion on the topic. Happy war-gaming!
PS: Your English is perfectly clear and better than most!
Hi Mark ! Thanks for your answer..it is good to know there are other beginners around here XD Well, it seems I've finally got an answer. Again, I'm not 100% sure about Panzer...but it certainly is at MBT's manual. The thing is: There are Optional Rules (7.4 Removing Spot Counters) that specify when a certain unit can get rid of Spot-Move/Fire counters....so, as a corollary, it seems to me that under Advanced Rules, those counters are supposed to remain with the unit for good.
It kind of make sense, since the time span of each turn is supposed to me between 15 sec to 15 min...hardly enough for someone easily loosing sight of an enemy tank.
Regarding your comments about the "Spotting Phase", you are 100% right...particularly considering that, according to the rules, you can actually measure distances and angles anytime you want.